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[discuss] JOINING DISCUSS OPENOFFICE

Posted: 22 Apr 2010 05:10 PM PDT

On Friday 23 April 2010 12:10, egunsola tanesert wrote: 

You are welcome to join. General (International) Mailing Lists and
instructions for joining are at:
http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html

The "discuss" mailing list is for discussing OpenOffice.org (OO.o) and
the "users" mailing list is for helping others with issues. Many multilingual
people are on both lists.

But you may also wish to contribute in your Native Language:
http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html

Good luck

--
Michael

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[discuss] degree sign

Posted: 21 Apr 2010 04:08 PM PDT

2010/4/22 jonathon <com>: 

Since the unicode for the ° seems to be b0 (hex) and since the op
seems to use Ubuntu, I think the easiest thing to do is either to do
the Ctrl+Shift+u b0 Enter thing, or the Compose key o o thing. The
Ctrl+Shift+u thing works out of the box, while the Compose key thing
perhaps needs you to do some easy settings, like deciding which key is
the compose key. I use Caps Lock for it, since it's a totally useless
key anyway. So in my case I press Caps Lock, release it, then press o
twice. Then the ° appears. Caps Lock o c gives a ©, Caps Lock % o
gives a ‰ and so on. To set which key is the compose key, click
[System â†' Preferences â†' Keyboard â†' Layouts â†' Layout options… â†'
Position for the Compose key] (or something like that â€" I have the
Swedish version of Ubuntu so I just translated from Swedish).

Regards


Johnny Rosenberg

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[discuss] degree sign

Posted: 21 Apr 2010 11:25 AM PDT

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Regina Henschel <de>wrote:
 

Ah yes - and using the Dejavu Sans font it's there.

Thanks

[discuss] Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for MicrosoftOffice

Posted: 20 Apr 2010 06:53 AM PDT

jonathon wrote: 

It did yesterday - I looked.

Today, it now says "ODF Plugin licensing has changed" and gives the
(unit) price. Maybe someone there reads this list?! :-}


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[discuss] How should OOo deal with ods-spreadsheets producedby Excel 2010?

Posted: 16 Apr 2010 12:43 AM PDT

Regina Henschel wrote: 

Might it be possible to treat it like a spellcheck error, identifying
the problem but supplying the equivalent formulation for acceptance with
manual action, and perhaps the converted value as another possibility?
 

If the contained value is available as a "spellcheck" type option, it
could be used here, too. They wouldn't have to accept the value, but
they could see it.
 

I think so -- something like "This spreadsheet was prepared by an
application that does not conform to the [projected] Open Formula
standard. Some issues with formulas are likely."

All this is just my half-cent's worth (I certainly won't claim two
cents, I'm a very low-level user of spreadsheets!). But anything we can
reasonably do to improve interoperability, while making it clear where
the problem actually lies, seems like a "good thing" to me.
 



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[discuss] OpenOffice.org and OpenDocument Format

Posted: 15 Apr 2010 04:16 AM PDT

ReHi Everybody:

I have been using Oo for some years, often in non-profit environments. I use
it in English, French and Spanish. I also like Lars' comments about the
competitive aspect of Oo and its competitors.

Ideally the open source concept also stands for the moral principal that
over-competition or under competition in any market are undesirable.

Since I love language and cultural diversity, I am happy to see Oo support
as many languages as possible, which makes me also think of the languages of
our diversity of native North Americans.

I often say to people around here: "When you live in Montreal, you don't
have to spend money to get on an airplane, the whole world is at our
doorstep - 50 or more languages in a day!"

Culturally, it also reminds me of the reason why Gloria Estafan put out her
CD "Abriendo Puertas" - as a protest against all of the petty linguistic
pride (orgullo, or condescending pride) between different Spanish-speaking
countries and their different dialects. The CD won a Grammy, and Kudos!

When, from Canada, I think about smaller and/or less fortunate countries who
have adopted Oo, and the ISO approval for the open formats, I think this is
global progress. < Qu'on se le dise.>

In my 4 years in Toastmasters, I have also used these 3 Languages in my
speeches a number of times to make a point.

I also use Oo in Linux (Fedora 12) and do a lot with Oo Draw and its CADoo
add-on.

Typically, I save in Open format first, then resave in the MS format, and/or
as a .PDF, as many of my circle of people communicate from employers'
computers where they are not free to install anything more than they are
given.

Since I also own a Hewlett-Packard iPAQ, for that I am forced to export to
MS or .PDF, as that device uses Windows Mobile 5. Eventually I will phase
that device out for a number of reasons.

Sometimes when Vector graphics (such as Oo Draw are involved) I find it is
better to print to a Ghostscript printer driver to get the .PDF, but
generally from an .ODT, the built-in works better.

Cheers, everybody!

Bruce Martin.

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From: Lars Nooden [mailto:org]
Sent: April 21, 2010 4:51 AM
To: org
Subject: Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org and OpenDocument Format

On 04/20/2010 10:51 PM, James E. Lang wrote: 

+1 I had to think about it a long time, too.

It looks to me like the idea is to ensure that it is as simple and clear
as possible to keep the original as ODF.

The save / save as dialogs regarding the format are also a bit unclear,
but I have not thought of any better alternative to the wording we
currently have.

And since this is a discussion, one of the monopolies we are having
problems with is the monopoly on office formats. Steering people away
from ODF helps re-inforces that monopoly, making it harder to use OOo.
It also increases the revenue available to our competition, because
having a monopoly results (or is defined by) being able to set the
prices far above the proper market value.

/Lars

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[discuss] How should OOo deal with ods-spreadsheets produced byExcel 2010?

Posted: 15 Apr 2010 01:37 AM PDT

On Friday 16 April 2010 04:02, Regina Henschel wrote:

[snip]
 

Essentially you are using a focused XML validator. This is correct. But
Microsoft has by their own stated yardstick broken interoperability[1] which
was their stated goal. This makes their version worse than a joke, it is a
cynical, intentional attempt to lessen the usefulness of ODF via exploitation
of a loophole. All other implementations substantially conform with each
other where practical. Future versions of ODF will not be compatible with
this Microsoft joke. It employs a known strategy of Microsofts which is
thankfully being increasingly recognised (see "Embrace, Extend and
Extinguish" [2])

Therefore i recommend that what the Validator should do is flag Microsoft's
vindictive implementation with a suitable warning about lack of inter-
operability and lack of support by other implementers. Anything less would be
irresponsible.
 

Not being able to speak either on behalf of the Committee or Oracle/Sun but i
would surmise that Calc will rightly continue to ignore this broken doomed
implementation. Furthermore i would if i were you, look into the proprietary
nature of the Microsoft implementation. I would not be at all surprised if
there is a either a submarine patent or one of Microsofts own patents held on
something involved in Excels ODF formulas. Microsoft's OOXML promise not to
sue may not even extend to ODF. See the recent i4i case as a reference[3].

It has been made patently aware that Microsoft are not willing to conform to
International Standards even of their own making unless they are forced to.
Office 2010 will not be supporting the full ISO OOXML implementation as
expected and thus the standard is now in doubt with no supporting
implementations. Refer if you will to the Blog of Alex Brown the convener of
the BRM meeting which forced this standard through[4]. Alex's stand is very
surprising given he was seen as a warm supporter of Microsoft during the ISO
standardisation process. Also read the apologist statement of Doug Mahugh on
this sad issue[5].

[1]
http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2008/may08/05-21ExpandedFormatsPR.mspx

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

[3] http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20091222145134400

[4] http://www.adjb.net/post/Microsoft-Fails-the-Standards-Test.aspx

[5]
http://blogs.msdn.com/dmahugh/archive/2010/04/06/office-s-support-for-iso-iec-29500-strict.aspx

HTH

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Michael

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[discuss] Suggestion for future versions of OpenOffice Calc

Posted: 13 Apr 2010 12:48 PM PDT

Thank you very much. I look forward to seeing it and again, thank you
for making OOo better and better.

Take care!

On 4/18/2010 8:43 AM, Niklas Nebel wrote: