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Open Office - [discuss] Editing the same document from multiple Windows

[discuss] Editing the same document from multiple Windows

Posted: 29 Oct 2008 07:44 PM PDT

Gareth said... 
[snip]

Then Frank pointed out a useful feature: 

Hi Gareth, Frank,

The solution above is fine if you don't have to hop between windows too often. There's a
feature in MS Word and in most spreadsheets (inc. Calc) that lets you have two parts of one
document inside a split-window. Hence you can have your column headings / lead
paragraph / whatever at the top, see a big bar across the screen, and see Row 25,000 or
page 23 or whatever.

IMHO it's a good idea for anyone editing long documents. I *rarely* use it, but I do go loking
for it often enough to wonder why Writer doesn't do it yet.



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[discuss] using odbc connection

Posted: 21 Oct 2008 01:20 PM PDT

net wrote (21-10-2008 23:43) 

A: reading the footer of your own mail might help ;-)
 

Ciao,
Cor

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[discuss] Master documents; chapter numbering does not work

Posted: 20 Oct 2008 07:29 AM PDT

Hi Katharina,


Katharina Weingarten wrote: 

Can you reproduce the defect with a newly created master document and
newly created sub documents?
If yes, please provide the steps.
If not, I want to ask you send the master document inclusive its sub
documents to this list or directly to me. Then we can reproduce and fix
the defect.
In each case I would volunteer to submit a corresponding issue for you.
The best would be, if you on yourself submit such an issue and provide
the needed data.


Thanks, Oliver.

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[discuss] OOo ribbon

Posted: 19 Oct 2008 12:57 PM PDT

I was just saying that even rubbish Office suites like MS Office look better
- and therefor feel lighter to use - than OOo, and I think that because OOo
is so good, and easy to use, it should have the option of this ribbon (witch
is more logical, and easier to use - once the user has gotten used to it)
and definitely deserves better looks. for example: Mac have been
successfully because of there simplicity, but in the recent OSX they have
doubled there popularity because of looks!

do you know ware you can suggest sub-projects on the UI project?

2008/10/23 Michael Adams <net.nz>
 

[discuss] Booorrrring!! Not A Clip Board, Not only a clip board, it needs to be and do more.

Posted: 18 Oct 2008 07:35 PM PDT

Hi Rebecca

There is no need in name calling. The idea of a clipboard is great, but, I 


Are you suggesting that every program you use needs to add a clipboard with
24 clips? That should be a feature of the operating system, so your feature
request should probably go to that other company you mentioned! ;-)

In a mad co-incidence (I assume), the last message I read before yours was
also asking for this feature! Here is my response to them:

Hi Xhacker

I think OpenOffice should add a Clipboard like MSOffice.When I write a very 

A clipboard is a function of the operating system, not an application.
Otherwise every application would have to add the functionality separately,
and also find a way of co-operating so information can be passed from one
application to another.

Microsoft wrote a clipboard for Windows many years ago. Since then, they
have done nothing to improve it.

Rather than improve the Windows clipboard so that all applications will
benefit, they have created a second clipboard that only works inside their
own office suite. That seems crazy!

But others have done what Microsoft hasn't, and released utility programs
that extend the Windows clipboard with additional features, including the
ability to remember multiple clips. When using Windows, I normally use
Yankee Clipper III. It has the preview feature I guess you might be looking
for, and the ability to save some clips permanently as boilerplate. Find out
more here
http://www.intelexual.com/products/YC3/

I really hope I will see Clipboard in OOO. 

Then you'll have to hope that every other program you use adds one as well!
But then there would be no guarantee that information from one application's
clipboard would be transferred to another's. This scenario would get messy
very quickly.

And don't forget that OpenOffice.org runs on other operating systems too.
And not all of them have the same clipboard limitations as Windows, making
your suggestion redundant for some of us.

I understand your position and frustration, especially since we have no way
of knowing whether Microsoft will ever improve the Windows clipboard. I
recommend you explore some of the clipboard extenders available. Here is a
helpful link to get you started.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=freeware+clipboard+extenders

Adrian

[discuss] Index with Links?

Posted: 18 Oct 2008 11:43 AM PDT

Cor Nouws wrote (18-10-2008 22:18)
 

Hmm. sorry Twayne. Sitting in a noisy environment, I didn't read your
question well the first time. I don't know of such a way (rather am
surprised that it does not work the same way).
Again apologies.

Cor


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Cor Nouws - Arnhem - Netherlands 


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[discuss] fixing position of Table toolbar

Posted: 17 Oct 2008 02:14 PM PDT

Le 18.10.2008 14:37, Cor Nouws a écrit : 
Yes, but it seemed to me the actual problem is in fact that the text
jumps while entering a table. If the table toolbar is docked next to a
permanently docked toolbar there is no jump because the size of text
area does not change.

JBF

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[discuss] Make it possible to download only parts of open office

Posted: 16 Oct 2008 09:23 AM PDT

Hi Douglas,

Douglas St.Clair wrote:
 

Just because you have only one main executable does not mean that the
architecture is monolithic. I assume that you know the concept of shared
libraries and you should know that OOo uses it a lot.

Offering functionality in one process instead of in several processes
does not make a monolithic architecture. On the contrary: 5 single
executables for Calc, Writer, Draw/Impress, Math and Chart but without
any additional shared libraries would be much more "monolithic" than -
as now - one executable and a lot of shared libaries.

Another aspect: the part of OOo that is in soffice.bin would be the same
in all hypothetic "swriter.bin" etc. So why not share it at runtime? It
saves resources to do so and allows to integrate the applications much
better (easier handling of common settings etc.).

A little experiment: you can remove *all* application libraries (writer,
calc etc.) and OOo will still start. Nothing won't happen of course if
you click on the "new document" links in the start menu. Is that
monolithic? I don't think so.

You can read a little bit more about modularity here:

http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/what_can_openoffice_org_learn

One reason for the decision to have a common process for all OOo
applications was that the Linux platform did not have an equivalent to
the Windows OLE2 editing ("Inplace editing") and we had the requirement
to implement it. With separated processes (yes! we had them at that
time) this would require an inter-process communication technology with
a suitable language binding. At that time (mid 1990s) we didn't have UNO
that basically is able to provide that. But it cost us only a few weeks
to change our code from having separated executables to only one small
executable and so get rid of the requirement to have inter-process
communication.

In OOo 2.0 we finally re-implemented the Inplace Editing based on UNO.
This gave us the inter-process technology and so basically now we could
go back to separated executables. But - believe it or not - I see more
disadvantages than advantages to do so, the most prominent ones are
resource usage and quality of integration. I only see one advantage: a
crash would bring down only documents of one type, not all documents.
But how often does that happen? OTOH, the disadvanteges are felt
everytime, the most prominent ones are:

- more memory consumption
- starting more than one app takes more time in total
- less integration, less common settings etc.

So in short words: the observation that OOo uses only one executable
does not allow to conclude that it is "monolithic". OTOH indeed the
modularity of OOo could be better, but this can be seen only if you
study the source code. If you are interested, I recommend my
presentation from last year's OOoCon:

http://ooocon.kiberpipa.org/media/index-2007.html

(search for "Mathias Bauer" and you will find links to a video and the
slides).
 

All of this is true, but it is not related to the fact whether the
applications are started in one process or in different processes. It's
more a question of how good the code is organized in the shared
libraries and how modular they are.

Ciao,
Mathias

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